The first one to two years were incredibly stressful because I constantly felt like I was going to fail and they were going to fire me for incompetence.

So it was a lot of Googling. It was a lot of like looking up at Stack Overflow, trying to do as much research on my own before I actually asked one of the other developers, because

I was also very afraid of annoying the other developers if I bug them too much with questions.

So it was like, I would say it was pretty difficult for me at that time, but I was learning

so much. Like, I think my brain was just like like, expanding with the amount of things I would learn.

And... Welcome back to the Free Code Camp podcast.

I'm Quincy Larson, teacher and founder of FreeCodeCamp.org.

Each week, we're bringing you insight from developers, founders, and ambitious people getting into tech.

This week, we're joined by Jessica Chan, aka Coder Coder. She's a software engineer who has worked in the field for more than a decade. And interestingly, she studied photography

in school and she never even took a programming class. And yet she's had this illustrious

career. So we're going to learn a lot from her. Welcome, Jessica.

Yeah. Thanks so much for having me. Yeah. I've been a long time admirer of your work of the caliber of your husband's animation, sound design, like all the production you put into

these amazing video courses that you create.

And just your fun sense of humor and like,

it's just like if there was like a word to describe,

coder, coder, I would describe it as like,

fun.

I mean, that may seem kind of like a short word to describe it,

but it is fun to watch your videos.

That's awesome.

Yeah, thank you. That is definitely one, one thing we, we aim for with the videos. Yeah, so I want to, like, go way back, as we always do, and just start with, like,

kind of how you got into tech, because my understanding is you don't have any formal training

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