Hello everyone and welcome back to the Squiggly Careers podcast. It's Helen and I wanted to tell you about what you can expect on this episode. So it's another one in our series of episodes that we've been doing for International Women's Day. Some of the conversations we've had so far, we were talking about taking on taboos with Emma Barnett. We've covered gender portrayal in the media

with Ella Dolphin, who's the CEO of the stylist group. We've covered life at the top,

so the reality of being a female CEO. And that was when Sarah spoke to Dame Sillis Snowball

and lots of other people on that episode two. And we've also talked about creating a gender

balanced workplace. And that's when

Sarah and I spoke to Sue and Catherine authors of the Glass Wall. And also I spoke to Anne Franca,

who is the CEO of the Chartered Management Institute. So if you haven't listened to those,

there's quite a lot to catch up on. But in this episode, we're going to be talking about

how we engage men in gender equality. And we've got two different people, both men, that we spoke to in this episode, we're going to be talking about how we engage men in gender equality.

And we've got two different people, both men, that we spoke to in the episode.

First up, there's a conversation with myself and Josh Graff.

Josh is the UK country manager for LinkedIn, and he's also the VP of Emir and Latam for LinkedIn.

And I talk to him about some of the initiatives that LinkedIn have got in place

and also Josh's position because he's a real advocate for women in the workplace internally and

externally. And in that conversation, I was so struck by his insightfulness, his willingness to share

some of the things that LinkedIn are doing, also some great research that he references as well

from LinkedIn. And we'll put

all of those on the website at Amazingif.com. And also we'll put the links on our bio on Instagram,

if you want to get to any of those. And then after Josh, Sarah speaks to a friend of Amazing If,

Danieli Fiannecca. Danieli's the founder of an organisation called Utopia of a number of

networks. He's a brilliant person for

curating people together. But he's also the founder of something called Tokerman, which is an

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