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Today I'm speaking with Andrew Yang. Andrew has been a CEO and co-founder and executive of

several technology and education companies. This year he announced his candidacy for the

presidency of the United States in 2020. The central plank to his platform is universal basic income.

Now many people have been asking that I do a podcast on this topic.

Andrew does a fantastic job representing it and he is running for president. That obviously adds

interest as well. And he has a book titled The War on Normal People, which we talk about in this

episode. And we really cover every related matter here. We talk about what UBI is, the principal

arguments against it, whether it would be difficult to implement or not, what its likely consequences

would be. This is a good tour of the issue and I don't think this issue is going away. So

now without further delay, I bring you Andrew Yang.

I am here with Andrew Yang. Andrew, thanks for coming on the podcast.

Thanks for having me. It's a pleasure to be here Sam.

So I will have properly introduced you in my intro here, but briefly you have written

a very interesting book titled The War on Normal People, which is your case for universal basic

income, which we will be talking about in this podcast. I have had many requests to cover this topic

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