So hello everybody. I'm sitting here with J.P. Marceau. You probably have seen him on my channel.

JP is the editor of the Symbolic World blog and also a contributor to that blog.

He's written several really interesting articles. He's becoming, I would say, a kind of bright star in the world of symbolic interpretation.

He also is able to provide other aspects or ways of talking

about symbolism that I don't have. And so more philosophical, talking more about science. And so I really

enjoyed talking with him. He recently wrote an article about miracles, which is something that I've

been hinting at once in a while talking about miracles,

trying not to talk too much about miracles because I know it's a stumbling stone for a lot of kind of secular types or atheist types.

But I knew that we had to kind of slowly get there.

And so here we are.

With that article, I think it's very important to start talking about miracles, how they relate to notions

of emergence and eminence, how they participate in reality, how they are in a way, let's say

the summit of reality. And so J.P. wrote this article about C.S. Lewis and Verveci, investigating

miracles with Verveci and C.S. Lewis. I think I'm getting the

title wrong. But the pattern is right. The pattern is right with the title is wrong.

And so yeah. All right. So I'm looking really for looking forward to this conversation.

Okay. This is Jonathan Peugeot can dive into it. Yeah. So the article itself is trying to summarize the key insights of Lewis in his book, Miracles,

using the metaphysics of John Verbeki, the source of metaphysics that he's been defending

in these discussions in our corner of the internet.

Because the main key is that the way Lewis used to talk about miracles back in his time

was sort of set against the naturalism of his time,

which was a fairly simplistic kind of materialism,

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