I think they teach the opposite of how to have strong self-esteem.

I think they teach, I don't think they teach at all about what values are, what roles are in your life.

I think they teach you, you can have whatever value you want, and that's okay. I want to make a metaphor to like the IT staff, right?

There's a point where you don't have enough.

And then there's like, I think I have enough, but it's not enough.

And then you have too many staff.

And like at that point, maybe, uh, you're doing okay.

I don't know.

But with the kids, with the kids, two kids is you're still doing everything.

So kind of like your IT staff.

Like if you don't, if you're not at a big enough company and you're like a staff of like two people, then, uh, you might do too much stuff if that makes sense.

You might.

No, and you might hold hands too much.

I think it comes to the point. Yeah. And, and that's, that's true. And if you're a leader or you're expected to be a leader,

you know, if your team is too lean and you have to jump in and be on the ground and do the

nitty gritty work who is

peeking up above the trees

where's the time for leadership

at that point? Really see the big picture and be able

to yeah yeah there is no time

you know if you're yeah so it's kind of

kids you're with kids when you have two kids you're making beds

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