Sometimes, some cops bring their own racism to the job.

Nobody disputes that.

Racism can appear in any line of work, so why be surprised when some cops also are exposed as racially biased.

But that is a different thing from saying that policing in general,

policing is broadly practiced in the U.S. is broadly guilty of racism on a daily and routine basis.

That charge has been made, it has been made often, that it's not just about a few bad apples.

But that race determines not only who gets to talk, his or her way out of a parking ticket, but much more importantly,

who gets stopped, who gets searched, and most critically, who gets shot by the cops in an incident,

as in those disturbing videos that keep on surfacing.

Sorting out the truth of this has not been an easy discussion, but it's one that should not be avoided.

So we are going to have it, we hope, in the form of the kind of intelligent, and again, we hope civil debate that is the goal of intelligent squared U.S.

So let's do it.

Yes or no to this statement, policing is racially biased.

I'm John Donvan, as always our debate will go in three rounds, and then our audience here at the Calfen Music Center in New York City will vote to choose the winner,

and as always, only one side wins.

Let's meet our debaters. Our motion is this, policing is racially biased.

We have two debaters arguing for the motion.

Please, let's welcome Gloria Brown-Marcel. Hi, Gloria.

And Gloria, you qualify better than anyone on this stage for the complement of Renaissance person.

You teach law, John Jay, you're a journalist, you write scholarly books, you are a produced playwright.

I think you've written seven or eight plays.

You used to argue in court, you're still civil rights attorney, you used to argue for the Southern Poverty Law Center,

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