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The Joe Rogan Experience

#1299 - Annie Jacobsen

The Joe Rogan Experience

Joe Rogan

Comedy

4.6228.6K Ratings

🗓️ 16 May 2019

⏱️ 158 minutes

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Summary

Annie Jacobsen is an American investigative journalist, author and 2016 Pulitzer Prize finalist in history. Her latest book "Surprise, Kill, Vanish: The Secret History of CIA Paramilitary Armies, Operators, and Assassins" is available now. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Now we're live 3-2-1 boom. Hello Annie.

0:04.0

Hello Joe. Very nice to meet you. I'm excited to talk to you. I'm super

0:07.4

excited to talk to you about several subjects but this one thank you very much for

0:10.8

this first edition copy of your Area 51, an uncensored history of America's top secret military base book.

0:17.0

I'm super excited about this.

0:19.0

I heard through the Great Vine, you were a fan.

0:21.0

I'm a freak when it comes to this stuff.

0:23.4

What do you think is going on up there?

0:25.6

I mean, same thing that's going on all over the place when it comes to military secrets,

0:29.6

which is stuff that you want to know about, very few people people know about and every now and then a

0:34.8

journalist gets a hint yeah do you think there's any alien stuff up there I write in

0:41.5

the book all about that. Yeah. Yeah.

0:43.0

Well tell me. Last 12 pages. You want me to go to the last 12 pages? What do you think?

0:50.0

So Area 51 was this secret test base where the CIA was running spy plane programs, right?

0:59.2

So interestingly, my new book is about Ground Branch, guys on the ground, that's about air branch, what we were doing in the air.

1:06.6

And it was this idea that we should spy on the enemy, okay? But if you go back in time why Area 51 really started, you learn that it was

1:19.0

a base hidden inside of a base, nuclear weapons, and it was all about beating Stalin at his black propaganda

1:28.0

campaign, as I write in the book, to hoax Americans in a war of the world's type scenario whereby little

1:38.6

men who looked like aliens would get out of an aircraft and the government would go crazy about it.

1:46.0

And then Stalin would say, look, we have, not only do we have technology better than you,

1:51.0

but we have a better propaganda department than you.

1:55.0

Really?

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