Boom and we're live. Hello sir how are you? I'm great man. Nice to see you.

Thanks. What you do you eat in chocolate when you got here and you told me that you are a

cacao shaman and I said those are strong words.

They are.

What does that mean?

So I was in Berlin last year giving a talk at a tech conference and somebody invited me to a sacred

cacao ceremony.

Never heard of it and I thought, wow that sounds awesome. I love

chocolate. I went it was so wonderful and at the end they were talking about

these people these great cacao shamans and I thought what is that? got to be one of those since I came back I

looked for certification there wasn't certification I self-declared and then I

started doing a cow ceremonies in New York and I have hundreds of people who come.

It's really wonderful and it's exciting.

Like if you want to be a doctor, you got to go to medical school, right?

You want to be a comedian, you got to become a professional,

you got to put in your time.

Cacao shaman just show up.

It's like putting up a shingle,

hey, I'm a Kacao shaman.

If anybody shows up and they have a good time,

then you're real.

Now, how much do you need to know about Kacao?

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