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129. Saturday Snippet: Are UFOs real?: Ministry of Defence's Fox Mulder

heretics. | andrew gold

Andrew Gold

Personal Journals, Documentary, Society & Culture

4.4968 Ratings

🗓️ 10 June 2022

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

Nick Pope worked in the government’s Ministry of Defence, where he was responsible for determining if UFO phenomena and videos had any significance. Get his book Open Skies, Closed Minds, an autobiographical look at his work on ufology. Nick Pope's links: https://twitter.com/nickpopemod http://nickpope.net/wpte19/ https://www.amazon.co.uk/Nick-Pope/e/B001KISGAC%3Fref=dbs_a_mng_rwt_scns_share Andrew Gold links: http://youtube.com/andrewgold1 http://instagram.com/andrewgold_ok http://twitter.com/andrewgold_ok Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

I want to believe I thought about whistling the tune from the X files and I thought

0:06.6

what if it somehow gets me in trouble for copyright or something some sort of infringement

0:10.6

it's funny isn't it because u f UFO belief was this kitchy new age thing for so many decades

0:17.7

following the Roswell incident in 1947 and then things like the X-files and the 90s Star Trek before that and the I Want to Believe slogan

0:27.4

started to adorn many a sigh-fans t-shirts and memorabilia and

0:31.4

and this is a podcast about belief. It's also one that values curiosity over judgment.

0:37.0

So as unlikely or ridiculous as belief in little green men might be, it's always worth taking a look. I went alien hunting in Argentina, and okay

0:46.6

it was a little tongue in cheek because I didn't expect to find anything really, but I went

0:50.6

into the mountains in the early hours of the morning in a place called

0:53.8

Kapilla or Kapisha with an Argentine accent, Kapisha Del Monte, with some true

0:58.4

believers in pursuit of beings from the fifth dimension who live underground and they're called erks.

1:06.0

And I'm about as positive as I am that the world is spherical, that these beings don't exist. The lights that were supposed to alert us to

1:15.1

their existence according to my guides were quite clearly car headlights and

1:19.5

street lamps, but the culture around alien belief has started to change in recent years.

1:25.0

Firstly, we started to get to grips with just how large the universe is and the concept of other life forms out there has become actually more likely than the

1:35.8

chance that there's nothing out there. That's now the minority belief that there's nothing

1:40.4

out there. It seems utterly improbable given that life formed here

1:44.4

that it isn't anywhere else and now many scientists expect to find microorganisms

1:50.0

on other planets and moons in our own solar system.

1:53.4

As for complex life, like cows and things like that, it might be a little rarer.

1:58.4

And then intelligent life, so examples of the universe becoming aware of itself, becoming self-conscious in the form of beings

2:07.0

like ourselves, well that might be stunningly rare.

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