Wired.com presents the Geek's Guide to the Galaxy. And here is your host, David Barr-Kirtley.

Hello and welcome to episode 129 of Geek's Guide to the Galaxy.

Our guest today is best-selling author and journalist Naomi Klein,

author of the book's No Logo,

taking aim at Brand Bueys,

and The Shock Doctrine, the rise of disaster capitalism.

The Shock Doctrine was made into a short film by Alfonso Corone, director of Children

of Men, and also made into a featured documentary by Michael Winterbottom.

Naomi is also a contributing editor for Harpers and a reporter for Rolling Stone, and writes a regular

column for The Nation and The Guardian. Her new book is called This Changes Everything,

Capitalism versus the Climate. And now here's our interview with Naomi Klein.

All right, so we're here with Naomi Klein. Welcome to the show.

Thanks for having me.

Okay, so your new book is called This Changes Everything, Capitalism versus the Climate.

And in the book you write, quote, science fiction is rife with fantasies of Terra forming, humans traveling to lifeless planets and engineering them into earth-like habitats.

The Canadian Tar sands are the opposite, Terra deforming, taking a habitable ecosystem filled with life and engineering it into a

moonscape where almost nothing can live. So just tell us a bit more about that about just

the level of destruction involved with some of these modern extraction techniques.

Yeah, so the tar sands, I think of the tar sands as the whole of the sector of my country, being a Canadian, and it's quite extraordinary because this mining, it's huge mining operation, which is actually the largest industrial project on Earth.

The tailing cons can be seen from space as so large.

So it's been going on for a couple of decades really and not it

picked up the current boom picked up when oil topped $100 a barrel. So it's, you know, it's been going on for a long time, but it's a strange thing where, even though it was happening inside Canada,

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