Los Angeles is sometimes called LA, while Orlando begins with the letters ORL.

What does this help you remember?

The answer to that at the end of the show.

My name's Tom Scott, and this is Latry.

The Netflix series, Stranger Things, features this magical, evil world called The Upside Down.

Well, I'm happy to announce that Lateral is set in a similarly magical land, but slightly less evil, called The Sideways.

It's not quite as bad, except when you're trying to get a coffee out of the machine, which can get kind of messy. Speaking of Stranger Things, let's meet the players. We start with singer-songwriter and music YouTuber, Mary Spender. Welcome back to the show. Hello, thanks for having me again. Hello, everyone. Well, thank you for coming back. It has been a while. The new studio looks wonderful. Thank you very,

very much. I'm very proud. What are you working on at the minute? Because I know you've just been going through a bit of a change in what you're putting out. I'm working away on YouTube videos this year. I put out an album last year, so I now have to write the next one. And you know how it is. You have your whole life to write your debut and then you have five minutes to write the next one.

So, um, YouTube is a happy balance where I can

work away on, you know, ideas and music history and music business and then write some songs in the

spare time. Well, very best of luck on the show today, Mary, you are joined by one half of the podcast,

Sad Boys, Jarvis Johnson. Hello. Thanks for having us. I didn't know, as I read that off

my script, whether I should call it Sad Boys or Sad Boys. Where's the emphasis? Oh, that's interesting.

I don't think that's a puzzle we've cracked. But we can come to a decision by the end of the show. But I like the way you said it. What's the podcast about? It's a podcast about feelings and other things also, but more or less, it's us kind of ranting and raving about our daily lives, talking about mental health and also just pop culture,

goofing and gaffin with friends. It's very formless podcast that's very long.

And we are joined. I'm not sure that's technically the best pitch for it, but it's what you went

with. And I did notice you slipped the tagline in there. And our third player, new to the show, the other half of the Sad Boys podcast, Jordan Adica,

kind of made finger guns at the screen at the tagline drop there.

Sorry, yeah, not loaded. It was purely for learning.

He's in America now. He's exercising open carry.

Yes, I mean, I can help. The emphasis is a very, very, very, very, very quiet, sad and a really loud voice. Sad boys. Oh, don't, don't, because now I've got to do that, and our audio mixer is going to have a nightmare if I say that every time. I'm going to, don't be wrong. I'm just going to get an advance warning of it. It feels a strange question to ask for the podcast like that, but what have your topic's been lately? Well, I think a lot of the time

what tends to happen with Sad Boys is we go in and we have a certain intention of something we

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