#128 - Sleep Position
The Matt Walker Podcast
Dr. Matt Walker
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🗓️ 16 March 2026
⏱️ 22 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Hi, it's Matt here. Welcome back to the podcast. In the winter of 2013, a Danish neuroscientist |
| 0:09.2 | named Myken-Nadegard was doing something that would have sounded on paper, almost embarrassingly mundane. |
| 0:17.5 | She was watching mice sleep. Her lab at the University of Rochester had been working on one |
| 0:24.0 | of neuroscience's oldest unanswered questions. The brain generates toxic waste products the way any |
| 0:31.7 | engine running at full throttle does, yet had no obvious way to take out the rubbish. Every other organ drains into the |
| 0:42.4 | lymphatic system. The brain sits sealed behind the blood-brain barrier, and for decades nobody could |
| 0:49.3 | figure out how it cleaned itself. Some researchers had quietly concluded that maybe it didn't, that maybe |
| 0:55.4 | the waste just accumulated. What Nedegard found when she looked at sleeping mouse brains really |
| 1:02.2 | looked with contrast enhanced imaging and fluorescent traces was something nobody had predicted. |
| 1:09.4 | The glial cells, the dense support cells packed tightly |
| 1:14.8 | around every neuron in the brain, shrank. During sleep, they physically contracted by roughly |
| 1:21.5 | 60% of their waking volume. And in doing so, pulled apart from one another, opening up channels between them that had barely existed minutes before. |
| 1:31.3 | It was as if the brickwork of a wall had drawn inward, suddenly exposing the gaps between every brick. |
| 1:39.6 | Cerebrospinal fluid surged through these newly open channels channels like a cleaning crew let loose after closing |
| 1:46.8 | time, flushing out the debris of a full day's neural activity, beta amyloid, the molecular calling |
| 1:53.9 | card of Alzheimer's disease, tau protein, the scaffolding that tangles into dementia, cleared, removed, gone by morning. |
| 2:04.2 | The brain had built an entire private sanitation system operating exclusively at night |
| 2:10.1 | that science had completely missed. Two years later, her team put the mice in different |
| 2:15.6 | positions. Back, stomach, side, side sleeping produced |
| 2:20.8 | the most efficient transport. Front sleeping was the worst. Fluid accumulated rather than |
| 2:27.7 | draining, traces lingered. Waste sat instead of clearing. Back sleeping fell somewhere between the two. The brain's cleaning system |
| 2:36.0 | was not indifferent to the angle of the body it lived in. Nadergaard offered a hypothesis. |
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