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Hey, hey, hey, I'm your host, Trevor Windsor, and you are listening to episode 128 of the Pure Desire podcast.

Here with me, as always, is my co-host, one of my favorite people, Nicholas J. Stumbo.

I made my family disappear. I made my family disappear.

I got nothing. Also, you just breeze. I told you you're one of my favorite people,

and you didn't even say anything. I have an intro, man. I rehearse these breathe. I told you you're one of my favorite people and you didn't even say anything.

I have an intro, man. I rehearse these things. I prepare for it. And the listeners don't have

context for why you did that because it doesn't come up to later in this episode. Yet. Yet. They will.

I don't know what that's from. That is from the classic Christmas movie Home Alone. Young Kevin wakes up to find that his family is gone. He thinks it's because he's wished them away. And I thought of that one because we're talking about shame today. And I know a lot of people wish they could just wish shame away. Like I made it go made it go away. Yes. And it's not that easy.

So that's why we need today's podcast. Totally. A couple quick things before we get into

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of these podcasts on YouTube to search Pure Desire Ministries. Last thing real quick, Nick,

we're rounding out the year. It's coming in hot 2020,

and we continue to see how the generosity of other men and women, really who've experienced

freedom, creates more opportunity for other people to find that freedom too. And so for that

reason, we started a giving campaign that we're calling free people, free people. Yeah,

playing off the idea that it's hurt people that hurt people. And when we don't deal

with our stuff, there's a way that we perpetuate or pass along, hurt and shame. And so as God

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