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It was Robbett. in such a place in life that you really kind of, in your words, you just didn't care about anything.

It wasn't, I'm out on bail, I better go get a job at Target. It was Robin Banks again. And I was just,

I think most of the audience, myself included, is just like, why? Damn it. You know?

We started that whole entire story. I've never started a story with the question you asked me.

How does somebody do this?

Like, how do you get to do 30 banks? I try to track the movements that erode my sense of

posterity. I don't believe I have a future. So there's nothing inside of me like, oh, I got to

protect my future. I better get a job. I start, better start saving money for the future. I better get a profession so that I can rise in the ranks in the future. None of that. Because of trauma is so intense, you're only looking at surviving the next day in front of you. In fact, the way I've come to understand people who mess up, mess up, mess up, mess up, mess up, mess up, mess up, mess up, mess up, mess up, mess up, is that they're only trying to survive that day to get to the next day in hopes that maybe one day they can make the jump to goodness. So they're just surviving every day and they're making mistakes because all they need to do is get to the end of the day

and then they wake up the next day and it's just day and day and then you see people change like

me and you realize oh every day was impulsive just trying to survive the things we're facing our

challenges outside of us like the challenges came to me I could stab them beat them it wasn't the external challenges it was all the challenges inside of us. Like, the challenges came to me. I could stab them, beat them. It wasn't the

external challenges. It was all the challenges inside of us that a lot of us don't have language to

process. I told you when I had grief as a child, what did they tell me? Don't cry. Don't cry.

Yeah. Because your mom's in heaven, which compounded my pain because now I'm feeling guilty.

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