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The choreography of a beating, right? I don't know at a time, but I'm nursing a couple fractures of rib and an album. I'm beat up real good. Put my brother in the bathroom. I lock them in. I go to the kitchen and I pull out a steak knife. And I walk over to the bedroom. I put it under the pillow and I just sit there and I wait. My dad comes in.

He looks at me over there, you know, glars at me. So I'm thinking like, what am I, what's he going to use to hit me? I'm through. This is like a new level of improvised savagery, right? So I'm like, okay, screw it. And I grab the knife out and I stand up. And now I'm standing there with a steak knife in my hand.

I'm standing there with a steak knife in my hand.

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the idea to rob a bank? Not the Ocean's 11 version, no team, no gadgets, no vault lasers,

just you, a piece of paper, and the decision to walk up to a stranger and tell them to hand over

a pile of cash. The 80s and 90s were probably the golden age of bank robbery, no cell phone pings, no facial recognition, maybe one blurry VHS tape that looked like some bigfoot footage and then you're gone. You don't run, you don't speed away, you just walk out. Today we're talking with Joe Loyia, a guy who robbed dozens of banks, calmly,

methodically, often wearing a fedora like he was heading to brunch or maybe a game of Dungeons

and Dragons instead of committing a felony. But the story isn't really about bank robbery.

It's about fear and how you push through it the first time you do something that permanently

changes who you are. It's about violence, power, and what happens when

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