Huh, have you ever wondered what a sandwich sounds like?

Not much to it, is there?

Unless, of course, it's a Walker's sandwich.

Mmm, that is good.

Now that's what Asani should sound like.

Go all crisp in with walkers.

Delicious.

Hi there, I'm Jason Gottz, and you're listening to Think Again, a big think podcast.

I want to read you a quote.

For reasons which can certainly use close psychological inquiry, the West seems to suffer deep anxieties about the precariousness

of its civilization and to have a need for constant reassurance by comparison with Africa.

Thus Nigerian novelist Chinua Achibi writing about Joseph Conrad and his famous book,

Heart of Darkness. We'll come back to that and what it means. But born in Poland in 1857, Conrad,

like us, lived in a time of rapid globalization, of technological disruption, and of all the

wonders and horrors that unleashes. My guest today, Harvard historian Maya Jazenov, has written

all about it in her beautifully written, fascinating new book, The Dawn Watch.

Welcome to think again, Ma.

Thanks for having me.

So, yeah, as I was telling you before we started, I think the last time I read Joseph Conrad,

I was like an awkward, maybe 15-year-old on exchange in the south of France,

encountering Lord Jim all by myself.

And it sort of worked well, you know, in that context of alienation and isolation

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