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Today I'm speaking with Tamler Summers. You might know Tamler is one of the hosts of the very bad

Wizards Podcast. He's also an associate professor at the University of Houston. He holds a Ph.D.

in philosophy from Duke University, and he's the author of a very interesting new book titled Why

Honor Matters. And today Tamler and I get deep into the topic of honor, and why it might still matter.

He certainly thinks it has more value than I do, so we agree on points and disagree on others,

but the whole topic is fascinating and consequential, and I hope you feel that we have done the topic

some justice. And now without further delay, I bring you Tamler Summers.

I am here with Tamler Summers. Tamler, thanks for coming on the podcast.

Thank you for having me. We've done a bunch of podcasts together. I think mostly you and David

Pizarro have been on mine once, and then I've been on yours at least twice, I think.

There were two marathon sessions, and then there was, you came on when we had just a bunch of guests

on to say what you changed your mind about it. Right, so for those who aren't aware,

although I will have introduced you before this, you are one of the hosts of the very bad

Wizards Podcast, which I love and widely recommend, and you are a philosophy professor and the author

of a book that was just published this month, Why Honor Matters. Yes, Why Honor Matters.

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