Hello and welcome to another episode of the Mark Grove's podcast. As many of you likely know,

but maybe some of you don't. I got a dog last April, and this dog's name is Carl, and he's been absolutely incredible one.

He's been such an incredible teacher in so, so many ways, and he's this splendid little soul,

and sometimes when I ask him to do something, which, you know, is more like a command,

he looks at me, and I think he, you know, is more like a command. He looks at me and I think he,

you know, I was playing fetch with him the other day and he gave me this look like,

do you know how many times I've done this? Do you know how many lifetimes I've had? And here you

are throwing a ball for me. Like I think he just kind of looks at me like he knows so much more.

Sometimes I think that about animals that we don't give them credit for the level of consciousness

they actually might have.

Maybe they got it all figured out.

What we hear is barking is actually a really complex language.

It's kind of funny to think about.

But you know, in all this conversation about

relationship, I've observed within myself and within other people their relationship with

their animal and how I often see what we get frustrated about and even how we see the window into our animals thinking really being

correlated to a lot of our own triggers and pain that we've had and you know and it's been really

interesting to explore myself from that perspective so So since really the dawn of having Carl,

I've had a dog trainer, which really is a Mark trainer to help Mark train Carl. I'm always so

fascinated by our conversations because there's so much overlap in the experience of us with dog as there is with human with human.

And I thought, what better thing to have than a conversation about our relationship with our pets, our relationship with dogs?

So you're in for a real special treat because I brought on the amazing Anacama McDade, who is an incredible trainer, incredible teacher,

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