#1256 Last Refuge
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🗓️ 17 October 2017
⏱️ 57 minutes
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"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
— Samuel Johnson
We speak with President Thomas Jefferson about patriotism and Jefferson's concept of what it is to be truly free.
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Thomas Jefferson is interpreted by Clay S. Jenkinson.
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| 0:00.0 | Good day, podcast listeners, and welcome to this week's edition of the Thomas Jefferson Hour. |
| 0:06.0 | This week we talk about a letter. |
| 0:10.0 | I think this came out of your sort of perplexity about whatever happened to the idea of compromise |
| 0:19.2 | in government. |
| 0:20.2 | Right, it, yes it did and is that okay? Of course. And so you I mean looking back so when we talked |
| 0:27.6 | about this you know we said in a way it's a program about liberty and it is and so we start off in this program talking |
| 0:35.1 | about Jefferson's ideas of what it is to be truly free. Turns out it's a |
| 0:41.0 | liberation from external coercion, but it's also a form of human responsibility to take charge of your own life. |
| 0:48.4 | And a decision between Mr Jefferson and I as to which restaurant to go to. |
| 0:54.1 | You'll have to listen to the... |
| 0:55.1 | You know, I know you're not... |
| 0:56.1 | But I'm fond of those metaphors. |
| 0:58.1 | I am too. |
| 0:59.1 | I thought it was great. |
| 1:00.1 | They... |
| 1:01.1 | You know, you and I agree on a lot of things but if Jefferson and I would |
| 1:05.1 | agree on the restaurant too and I was it was awkward for me. I know you I had I |
| 1:08.2 | forced you into defending the pork dinner. Yeah I should have given you peas. |
| 1:11.8 | Yeah. But my point is you take my point. |
| 1:14.4 | Absolutely. |
| 1:15.2 | Jefferson believed that small is beautiful. The smaller, the way you think about a thing, |
| 1:21.0 | the more you understand it. So I'll give you another example just quickly. |
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