In which two different games can you hit a 7-10 split? The answer to that at the end of the show,

my name's Tom Scott, and this is Lateral. Welcome to today's show, whether you're listening

or watching. That's right. At the time of recording, you can now watch full episodes of Lateral on Spotify.

We realize that some of you may not think that's a benefit when Lateral is just talking heads.

So to tempt people into making the switch, or at least trying it, for video only,

here's a picture of the producer's dog.

And if a Bichon frieze won't change your mind, nothing will.

First today, we have a new player to lateral.

We have wine columnist for The Guardian and broadcaster.

Hannah Crosby, welcome to the show.

Hello, thank you so much for having me.

This is your first time here.

You have been a listener for a while, I think. I have been a listener for a while. When I first discovered this podcast, I think I binged maybe about 10 in a day. I was like, where has this been my whole life? I feel like I should apologize for that somehow. It's fine. It was a day very well spent. To be honest, I'm just very surprised you got back to me.

You are currently in South Africa? I am. The rumors are true. Yeah, I'm very lucky to do this for work.

I have a very beautiful view right now, including you guys, obviously. But the view is also great.

I'm assuming it's wine tasting.

It's wine tasting today. Well, I'm currently in the guest houses of Graham Beck, so we've been

tasting a lot of sparkling wine today. So the enamel on my teeth is really, really suffering at the moment.

So I might come back with, yeah, enjoy it while at last. That's another reason to watch. You can look at my teeth as they stand now before they erode away. Well, very best of luck to you and your teeth on this show. You are joined by two returning players. First from his own YouTube channel about transport, trains and travel. Jeff Marshall, welcome back. Hey, Tom. Good afternoon. Nice to be here again. I appreciate the lateral roundel in the back of shot. You can change the letters out, right?

Yeah, well, I just, I cut a template. It comes with a slideable plastic thing, and I thought I can just cut my own paper ones to shape. So if you'd like me to customize a name or something funny, I can do that. It's fine.

That's appreciated. What are you working on at the minute?

I was travelling on a bus in Oxford last week, making a little sort of documentary for them,

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