Three two one. One. Hello Tim. How's it going? Thanks for finally being here.

Yeah. Long story, right? I definitely drank too much coffee before we get here so if I appear like cracked out I swear to got I'm not in pills

But uh, glad to hear it, but um, so we had a nice conversation on the phone about de-platforming and social media and what

it was very obvious to me in talking to you was that you're way more schooled on this than I am so

that's why I wanted to have this conversation with you right yeah part of what

was like I've re-listened to my podcast with Jack and you had a good criticism of it. I agree with a lot of what you said.

First of all I agree that it was kind of boring.

And it was, I think in many, for many reasons it was my fault. I don't think I prepared enough for it and I also

don't think I understood the magnitude of how other people felt about

de-platforming on Twitter and all social media, YouTube and all these different things,

and what the ramifications are and how much this means to people to have very clear and obvious free speech outside of very

egregious examples of like threats and docks and things like that which I think we can

all agree right I think this

problem might be one of the like one of the worst problems we're facing

right now politically yes you know the Twitter is where public discourse is happening. It's where journalists are and this is a problem sourcing a lot of their stories.

Yes. So if you have somebody who's completely removed from public discourse that that's exile. You know I can I can imagine why some people kind of lose

their minds and that happens and I think going into that conversation with him well that's

what I wanted it to be that's why i don't really interview people

any i kind of have conversations with them yeah occasionally we have

disagreements and we you know we talk about things and you know

but it's not i don't have have like a mandate. My only thing I wanted to get

out of the conversation is I wanted to find out what it was like to start that organization and

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