#1233 Neither Wolf nor Dog

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Society & Culture, History

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🗓️ 9 May 2017

⏱️ 55 minutes

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"Somewhere in Jefferson, something happened where the European mindset turned and started looking to the west. He started looking toward possibility in a different way." — Kent Nerburn

We welcome two special guests to the Thomas Jefferson Hour this week for an out-of-character discussion about Jefferson's policies towards Native Americans. Joining us are the independent filmmaker Steven Lewis Simpson and author Kent Nerburn. We talk about Simpson's recent film adaptation of Nerburn's book, "Neither Wolf nor Dog", and about Jefferson's long shadow when it comes to the United States' conduct regarding American Indians.

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Steven Lewis Simpson, at 18, was the youngest fully-qualified stockbroker and trader in Britain. By 22, Simpson had moved to Los Angeles to work in the film industry. He is now a writer, producer, and director, as well as the owner of Roaring Fire Films. You can read his full bio here. Visit Roaring Fire Films to sign up for the Neither Wolf nor Dog movie mailing list.

Kent Nerburn is the author of more than a dozen books, including Neither Wolf nor Dog: On Forgotten Roads with an Indian Elder. He was born, raised and resides in Minnesota. You can learn more about him here, or read his bibliography which includes links to purchase his books.

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0:00.0	Hello,
0:03.0	podcast listeners, and hello, 1776 club supporters.
0:06.0	You know, we haven't done a pitch for a while.
0:08.0	We need to because the 1776 club has been wonderfully successful.
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0:13.4	that Jefferson Hour is listener supported,
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0:17.5	go to Jefferson Hour.com and click on support the show.
0:21.5	We can't tell you enough how much we appreciate your support for the show. We really really do so thank you.
0:27.3	This week on the Thomas Jefferson hour, two interviews. The first with Stephen Lewis Simpson, an independent filmmaker whose latest film
0:36.7	has just been released, Neither Wolf Nor Dog, and then second, an extended
0:41.5	conversation with the author of Neither Wolf and her dog the book,
0:45.0	Kent Nurburn, an old friend of the Thomas Jefferson Hour,
0:50.0	we're so glad to have him back and you have to admire someone that's an independent filmmaker.
0:56.7	I know what they're out against.
0:58.0	And you also really admire the work of Kent Nurbin.
1:01.6	I do. Who's written a trilogy, but the first grade
1:04.4	book of it was called Neither Wolf nor Dog. And now a film has come out. And we talk
1:08.9	with both gentlemen about that film in depth with with Kent Nurburn and he has some pretty interesting
1:14.5	insights on our man Jefferson and how Western civilization views Native Americans and you had some things to say about human nature.
1:25.0	Yeah, I think it's fair to say that human nature is human nature, but we shape it differently according to culture.
1:30.0	And we live in a culture. Western civilization is a culture that has been very happy to create social hierarchies.
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