Jeff Wise. Thanks for joining me on the podcast. Excited to talk to you today. I'm excited to be here. Thanks for having me.

Yeah. Well, before you're rolling in, I got a little bio that I've snapped off the internet and I like to read it here.

So everyone has kind of a little bit of background of the most complex and mysterious stories in aviation.

You spent over a decade covering topics, blending human psychology, aviation, and survival,

digging deep into the minds of those who have faced incredibly challenging situations.

You're best known for your high profile work on mysterious like the disappearance of Malaysian Airlines Flight 370, which we're going to dig in to today.

You explore that with two best-selling books. You got the plane that wasn't there and the plane, or we haven't found yet, MH370.

Did I get those correct?

So I did a version, I did an early version right after the plane disappeared in 2015 called the plane that wasn't there.

And then I did a then a couple years later I did a sort of updated version that I called the taking of MH370.

Okay, perfect.

Two of those out.

Again, we're going to dig into those.

But you've appeared on CNN, Fox News, other networks as well. And today we're going to do a deep dive into MH370. So Jeff Wise, welcome to the podcast. Thank you very much. And yeah, just the, I've done about 60 episodes now of looking in this case, in super fine slice detail because it is a very

technically challenging case but people can if they want to get into it there it's at it's

finding mh370.com and there's a youtube channel too i'll link that down below because again you have

now kind of releasing the podcast version of this where you

really have listened to it's very fascinating again i'm excited to talk about this today but you dive

really deep and really technical on those episodes so i think people will be interested in that yeah you

know i was on a netflix documentary called mh3 That Disappeared. And they featured my ideas pretty prominently

in it, but in a super, super boiled down way and in a slightly erroneous way. And so I was,

I was thinking, you know, you can't really explain a mystery as complicated as this in as short

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