#123 - Ian Rogers - The Coming 25 Years Will Be Unrecognisable - AGI, Quantum & The End of Labour

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🗓️ 28 October 2025

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

Ian Rogers ran digital at LVMH and worked with everyone from Apple to the Beastie Boys. In this conversation, we dive into culture, technology, politics, and the collapse of the old systems & what might replace them.

We explore:
– Why education is broken & what should replace it
– AI, quantum & disruptive technologies
– From state to network: Balaji's thesis and the network future
– Creativity, free speech & the failure of mainstream culture
– How to raise kids who thrive in chaos
– What punk rock teaches us about politics, identity & belonging

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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00:00 – Introduction
00:06:25 – The Algorithm Killed Music
00:16:40 – Why We Made Zines
00:21:03 – How Technology Shapes Culture
00:30:32 – Education Is Now Obsolete
00:35:17 – Teaching Kids to Think
00:41:00 – AI, Quantum & the Unknown
00:47:23 – From State to Network
00:51:55 – Navigating Post-Truth Politics
00:56:10 – Should We Still Go to Uni?
01:05:18 – Network Neighbours vs Real Ones
01:08:42 – Politics, Identity & Belonging
01:14:55 – Left, Right & Free Thinking
01:20:00 – From Curiosity to Courage
01:24:12 – Creativity in the Age of AI
01:29:37 – Fairness, Copyright & Compromise
01:34:50 – Creative UBI & the BBC
01:40:12 – Arbitrary Taxation Might Be OK
01:47:28 – Closing Thoughts: The Case for Hope

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Transcript

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0:00.0	This is why these things aren't black and white.
0:02.1	At the end of the day, we're human beings.
0:03.9	Bob Pittman is famous for saying, people don't fall in love with robots, they fall in love with humans. That's why they had VJs on MTV. And MTV would not be MTV without VJs. There's always a humanness. We as humans will always be drawn to that. I think it's a question of like, you know, what exactly,
0:21.0	like, what exactly is the role of this animal on planet Earth 100 years from now? I think we
0:26.9	underestimate how different that is going to be, even 25 years from now. We're close to AGI,
0:32.3	we're close to quantum computing, look at what's happening in robotics. 25 years from now,
0:36.0	the world is unrecognizable. And that will be the world that our kids fight and exist in,
0:41.3	just like we've fought and existed in this one.
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1:43.0	And the other one I do is crisscross jump. Oh, that's a good one. That was the first. But that's also, it's also an impressive one because you've got to do, some of them try to rhyme, but they can't rhyme like this. Yo, yo. Some of them try to rhyme, but they can't rhyme like this. It's the first. I'm trying to rhyme, but they can't.
1:44.5	First vinyl ever bought.
1:45.0	Wow.
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