I dreamt that you were twisting through seven suns of gold and the gypsy was insisting

that story must be told I came two in the morning but I took it as a warning that you might be a treasure.

I could touch but never hold.

Hello, everybody.

Welcome to the Soberful podcast.

I'm Veronica Valley, and I have a special guest with me today.

I'd like to welcome Christine Hansen to the podcast. Welcome,

Christine. Hello. Thanks for having me. Hi. Christine is a guest because a couple of people suggested

that we do a podcast episode on sleep. So I was like, oh, that's a good idea because that comes up for

people quite a lot when, not just when they're

getting sober, which it does, but it also comes up at various different points in people's

sober journey. And I'm, my kind of advice is, yeah, that will work itself out. And I thought,

you know what, be great to get someone with a bit more expertise on sleep. So I found Christine, who is based in Luxembourg,

and Christine is a sleep expert to CEOs and executives, athletes and high achievers who want to

sleep but can't. So Christine, we were chatting before we started this. How did you get interested in sleep?

So I am notoriously selfish and lazy.

So when I became pregnant with my daughter, first of all, I am not a baby person, which became even clearer later.

But one of the main worries that I had was that I wouldn't get any

sleep because everyone was telling me you will never sleep again, make sure you sleep yourself

in advance, whatever that means. And I knew that I wanted to go back to work full time.

And so I just couldn't imagine doing that when I was tired because if I don't sleep well, I'm grouchy.

The whole next day, I don't function well. I'm very sensitive to that and I really knew that.

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