#12272 Was Christ Made Sin? Catholic View vs. Calvinist Atonement - Mark Brumley

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🗓️ 8 July 2025

⏱️ 55 minutes

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What does Scripture mean when it says Christ was “made sin for us”? In this episode, Catholic apologists address a Protestant caller’s concern about Psalm 51 and the Catholic rejection of penal substitution. Learn how the Church understands Christ’s sacrifice—not as punishment in our place, but as a redemptive offering rooted in love and union with humanity.

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Questions Covered:

08:01 – I’m Protestant. I’ve listened to a lot of Catholic radio. I’ve had no change. Is this lack of movement of desire to change from Satan?
18:38 – How do we catechize older boomers who prioritize politics and social views over religion?
23:32 – What evidence do we have that the Catholic Church is the true Church?
34:09 – in Friday morning’s psalm prayer it says, “He who knew no sin was made sin for us to save us and restore us to your friendship” Psalm 51. We don’t believe in Calvinism substitutionary atonement. So, in what way was Christ made sin for us?
40:45 – Is there any point in saying “If God wills it, it will happen?” Especially if he has two wills?
48:22 – Is it possible for a person to sin in purgatory or if they have not died?

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0:32.4	When we say we've got the president of the most important publisher in the Alpha Quadrant coming on, we mean we got the president of the most important publisher in the Alpha Quadrant coming on.
0:38.1	We mean we got the president of the most important publisher in the Alpha Quadrant coming on.
0:42.1	Mark Brumley, president of Ignatius Press.
0:45.3	They published some of the most important Catholic books in the world.
0:51.6	And are you working?
0:53.6	Well, first of all, hello, Mark Brumley, and welcome.
0:55.8	Hello, it's been a while. I haven't been on for a while. I was away doing various and sundry things.
1:01.1	Are they done? Have you finished all the various and sundries?
1:03.4	Well, at this stage, yeah.
1:05.3	All right, for now, they're done. For now.
1:07.7	I got to ask you, I know that the world looks at a new
1:13.1	pope being elected and goes, thank God we got a new pope. Look at that, you know, it continues.
1:18.9	I know Mark Brumley looks at that and goes, who do I know that knows this guy so I can be the
1:23.8	publisher of his next book? Well, not quite. That's what happened.
1:28.0	Don't even lie to me.
1:28.9	I know you were watching.
1:30.0	Oh, no, no, no.
1:32.0	And you don't even have to translate these books if he writes it. boy. There's a kind of, you know, when he was elected, I thought, well, do I look at this as a
1:45.7	rivalry moment or do I look at it as a companionship, you know, kind of Midwest kind of thing?
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