So this week on the Thomas Jefferson hour, Mr. Jefferson is back and we have great fun.

Almost our favorite subject. Yeah, great fun talking about not slavery.

Slavery, the vortex that sucks us down.

Not guns.

But you know the young woman we interviewed from Madicello,

Naya Bates.

Right, last week.

I asked her last week, how often do you shake your head

when you think about this man of paradox who owns slaves but also wrote the Declaration of Independence and she said I shake my head over a lot of things

It was a wonderful way of saying you know what you think he's the only problem in American life it was great it was great so what we talked about this week which we haven't talked about in a long time is the Lewis and Clark expedition

I just finished the thing in the Steinbeck tour of California and all I can think about now is getting out on the river.

But the conversation with the president was great because it was back and forth.

He talked about about you know I

I kind of sort of challenged him about his catchphrase empire of liberty.

You were a little you were almost I mean as Jefferson I was sort of like well I'm going to answer this but well I felt like Ronald Reagan

yes I warned him not to get a migraine I was getting a little migraine

he changed the things so it was fun and then then we did that I formulated the four

disappointments of Jefferson over the expedition mostly that there was no

Northwest Passage but also that Lewis never wrote his book. He he fessed up and

took he took responsibility for not that he should have managed

Lewis better well I don't think that's right I think he blew it by not sending a

seasoned adult along that was a scientist I go to Jefferson how hard is it to keep records?

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