122. Why Isn't Everyone Tapping Into the Ancient Wisdom of Mushrooms? with Alli Schaper

Why Isn't Everyone Doing This? with Emily Fletcher

Emily Fletcher

Education

4.9 • 529 Ratings

🗓️ 12 May 2026

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Why Isn't Everyone Tapping Into the Ancient Wisdom of Mushrooms? with Alli Schaper What if the tools for healing grief, protecting your brain, and accessing direct divine experience have been growing in the earth for thousands of years and most people just forgot? In this episode of Why Isn't Everyone Doing This?, Emily Fletcher sits down with Alli Schaper, entrepreneur, wellness pioneer, and co-founder of Super Mush, for a wide-ranging conversation that moves from the science of Lion's Mane to the cultural history of psilocybin, from grief and brain trauma to microdosing as ceremony, from a black bear encounter in the wilderness to why worry is brakes on our prayers. Alli got off eight to nine pharmaceutical medications at 23 and became her own doctor. Functional mushrooms were the turning point. She built Super Mush, a brand born at the intersection of ancient plant wisdom and modern neuroscience, and founded the Microdosing Collective, a nonprofit dedicated to education and access for low-dose psychedelic use. This conversation is grounded, personal, scientifically curious, and spiritually alive. In this episode, they explore: – What a 5,000-year-old caveman named Otzi tells us about the staying power of functional mushrooms – Why Lion's Mane is one of the most promising tools for protecting the brain against cognitive decline – How the brain of someone on mushrooms looks similar to the brain of someone in deep meditation – Alli's mother's microdosing journey through grief after losing her father, and what it actually looked like – The James Hall story: catastrophic brain trauma, a medical miracle, and six months of microdosing – Why "worry is brakes on our prayers" and how detachment accelerates manifestation – The vision quest story, the black bear, and what real fear teaches you about daily stress – Emily's experience microdosing with her Ziva team, and what they built together that day Key Moments: 06:49 – The "holding company" reframe for romantic partnership 18:25 – Lion's Mane and cognitive protection explained 38:34 – Mushrooms, religious ceremony, and the history of psychedelic sacrament 42:35 – The RAND report: 10 million microdosers in 2025 48:13 – How psilocybin helps metabolize grief without numbing it 56:45 – James Hall: brain trauma, medical miracle, and microdosing 01:03:13 – Worry is brakes on our prayers 01:12:35 – Alli's vision quest and the black bear encounter 01:24:55 – Prayer as technology: tuning your instrument, not controlling outcomes About Alli Schaper Alli Schaper is an entrepreneur and co-founder of Super Mush, a functional mushroom brand rooted in ancient wisdom and modern neuroscience. She is also the founder of the Microdosing Collective nonprofit and host of the podcast Into the Multiverse. Instagram: @allischaper | supermush.com | Podcast: Into the Multiverse 🔗 MORE FROM EMILY & ZIVA: Join Ziva Magic: zivameditation.com/pages/zivamagic Learn Ziva Meditation: preview.zivameditation.com Free masterclass: learn.zivameditation.com Get 15% off with promo code WHYTHIS: whythis.zivameditation.com Follow us on Instagram: @zivameditation

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0:00.0	Oh, whenever you're ready, you can start to slowly open the eyes.
0:08.7	Or we just stay.
0:10.5	It's so nice in here.
0:11.7	It's so nice in here.
0:12.5	I know it's really juicy.
0:14.7	It would be an interesting podcast concept if you were like, keep your eyes closed the entire time.
0:20.7	I think that's what Bashar does. Really? Yeah. Oh, this is a thing. Well, I mean, he's a channel. So there's a man. I forget his actual human name. But when he channels, he closes his eyes. And they kind of flutter. And that's when Bashar comes through. You know how Esther Hicks has Abraham Hicks? Yeah, yeah. Okay. So Bashar is the entity that speaks through, maybe his name is Daryl. We'll have to look it up.
0:41.6	But like, Darrell talks like a normal human, but when Bashar comes through, it's sort of like this. and so I think that would be cool too.
0:49.3	Well, I love that, like the channel thing, but I'm talking like just, what if you're just like,
0:53.6	let's choose to keep our eyes closed the entire time, like it as are in theory, right talking like just, what if you're just like, let's choose to
0:54.4	keep our eyes closed the entire time? Like, it as are, in theory, right? Like, I don't, I don't think we should do like the demo here. I mean, honestly, most people listen to us on audio. That's true. That's true. It would just be, it's more like I wouldn't have the visual cues of how you're receiving the information that I'm sharing.
1:10.4	And you just would have the audio.
1:12.2	Like, would it be more perceptive or less? the visual cues of how you're receiving the information that I'm sharing and you just would have
1:11.7	the audio. Like would it be more perceptive or less? You know, like would we feel each other more
1:16.7	intimately or less? Tough call. I don't know. Maybe we experiment with the last five minutes.
1:21.9	Yeah. It's like, and how we shut your eyes? Yeah. Actually, when I was in high school, we were rehearsing for guys and dolls and I had this
1:29.6	brilliant, like, God, they'd be such a good S&L characters, but it was like, it was
1:36.0	the English teacher and the drama teacher.
1:37.9	And they were like our director and choreographer.
1:39.8	And they would have us do the opening number.
1:42.3	And they were brilliant.
1:43.2	And they had, they put down the curtain. And we did the opening number. And they were brilliant. And they had, they put down the
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