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It seems like only last week we were here, chatting. It does, doesn't it?

So much longer ago. It's, I envy the time that you get to do this podcast.

I recognize we're starting probably annoyingly late today.

But if we were all in the afternoon time zone, I feel like everything would be so much better.

You think?

And easier to coordinate?

Yeah, because like whenever I do like the other podcasts I do, for all of them, I just say 6pm.

Always.

Anytime after 6pm is good.

And everyone always makes that work because it's outside their work schedules as well.

But for you, that would be like, I don't know, 2 in the morning or something.

Be something like that.

I don't want to do the maths.

It's too late.

Whatever it is, it's bad.

Yeah, exactly.

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