The following is a conversation with Commander David Fraver, who was a Navy pilot for 18 years

and Commander of the Strike Fighter Squadron 41, also known as the Black Aces, a squadron of 12

airplanes consisting of several hundred people. He's also famously one of the people who with his own

eyes saw and chased a UFO, an identified flying object in 2004 that is referred to as the TickTack

and the incident more formally referred to as the USS Nimitz UFO Incident. His story,

corroborated by several other pilots from my perspective as a curious scientist and an open-minded

human being, is the most credible sighting of a UFO in history, at least that I'm aware of.

He's a humble, fascinating, and fun human being to talk to. I put out a call for questions

on Reddit and many other places and tried to ask as many of the questions that people posted as

I could. And overall, I really enjoyed this conversation and I'm sure if the world wants us to

and if there's more questions to be had, we'll talk on this podcast again.

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sponsors in the description to get a discount and to support this podcast. As a side note, let me say

that the world of UFOs and UAPs, an identified aerial phenomena and aliens in general,

is foreign to me because of the high ratio of outlandish conspiracy theorists to actual,

hard evidence. I'm a scientist first and foremost, but an open-minded one, often looking and

thinking outside the box. I'm often disheartened by the close-mindedness of the scientific community

and in equal part, I'm disheartened by the lack of rigor and basic scientific inquiry and study

on the part of the conspiracy theorists. I believe there's a line somewhere between the two

extremes that more inquisitive minds should walk. I think we humans know very little about our world,

what's up there among the stars and the nature of reality and the nature of our very own minds.

The past no understanding can only be walked humbly. The very idea that there is a possibility

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