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When I counsel people around faith crisis stuff, they're always just really, you know,

I've got to get my kids out of the church, got to get my kids out of the church, if they

lose their faith and they sort of think that being a warmest is the worst thing in the

world.

But it is so common for kids raised by secular parents to become fodder.

You know, I have a joke, what do you call a kid raised in a secular home and the answer

is an investigator to a religion, you know, an investigator, a Mormonism or a joke is

witness.

Because it is, I think kids raised in secular homes have a hard time remaining secular.

I don't think we as secular parents and this is a total sidetrack to your story, but

I don't think we as parents secular have figured out how to raise our kids in the way to

where they feel full and then aren't vulnerable if you think of it that way too.

Missionaries of whatever religious faith that come along because a lot of the people that

have sent my workshops and retreats when they tell me their story of being converts, they

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