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Oh, all right. Well, I'm joined today by Jim Grinstead. Of course, Erica's here in a new closet, which we're going to break down here. I've got a lot of questions. But we're joined by Jim Grinstead of the Scams and Cons podcast. How you doing, Jim? I am doing very well post-Christmas here. Snowing outside, which

it's not supposed to do here in Nashville, but it's also 33 degrees, which is better than the

five we had the other day. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We're having a little heat wave here in Michigan,

too. It's up to 16 today. It's a balmy 16, yeah. Break out the shorts.

So, so weirdly, like, we're, we're in a straight line and Erica is directly between you and me, Jim.

So I'm, I'm in Southwest Michigan. She's in Indianapolis and you're in Nashville. So she's right in the middle. How's things in the middle, Erica? Well, I actually am physically in Michigan right now, Bob, because I'm at my parents' house where I grew up.

Oh, but that's not helpful at all then.

No, but I can give you a nice weather update on Indianapolis weather.

So apparently, the steam pressure something or other broke and all of the buildings in downtown

Indianapolis that use steam

for heat are cold today oh that presents big big problems with like plumbing oh yeah oh yeah there so

i'm not sure what i'm going back to today oh yeah that that's what so for those you know we're

recording this on the 26 so it's it's just the Monday after Christmas,

I got up this morning thinking, I'm going to take it nice and easy today.

Then I looked at my calendar and I'm like, God damn, Erica, schedule the interview.

I had to get you.

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