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Lex Fridman Podcast

#121 – Eugenia Kuyda: Friendship with an AI Companion

Lex Fridman Podcast

Lex Fridman

Philosophy, Society & Culture, Science, Technology

4.713K Ratings

🗓️ 5 September 2020

⏱️ 182 minutes

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Summary

Eugenia Kuyda co-founder of Replika, an AI companion. Please check out our sponsors to get a discount and to support this podcast: – Dollar Shave Club: https://dollarshaveclub.com/lex – DoorDash: download app & use code LEX – Cash App: download app & use code “LexPodcast” Episode links: Eugenia’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/ekuyda Replika’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/myreplika Replika’s Website: https://replika.ai If you would like to get more information about this podcast go to https://lexfridman.com/podcast or connect with @lexfridman on Twitter, LinkedIn, Facebook, Medium, or YouTube where you can watch the video versions of these conversations. If you enjoy the podcast, please rate it 5 stars on

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0:00.0

The following is a conversation with Eugenia Kui Da, co-founder of replica, which is an app that allows you to make friends with an artificial intelligence system, a chatbot that learns to connect with you on an emotional, you can even say a human level by being a friend.

0:18.0

For those of you who know my interest in AI and views on life in general, know that replica and Eugenia's line of work is near and dear to my heart.

0:28.0

The origin story of replica is grounded in a personal tragedy of Eugenia losing her close friend, Roman Mazurunky, who was killed crossing the street by a hidden run driver in late 2015. He was 34.

0:42.0

The app started as a way to grieve the loss of a friend by training a chatbot neural net on text messages between Eugenia and Roman.

0:51.0

The rest is a beautiful human story as we talk about with Eugenia.

0:56.0

When a friend mentioned Eugenia's work to me, I knew I had to meet her and talk to her. I felt before, during and after that this meeting would be an important one of my life.

1:06.0

And it was, I think it was that only time will truly show to me and others.

1:12.0

She is a kind and brilliant person, it was an honor and a pleasure to talk to her.

1:18.0

Quick summary of the sponsors, DoorDash, DollarShaveClub and CashApp. Click the sponsor links in the description to get a discount and to support this podcast.

1:29.0

As a side note, let me say that deep meaningful connection between human beings and artificial intelligence systems is a lifelong passion for me.

1:38.0

I'm not yet sure where that passion will take me, but I decided some time ago that I will follow it boldly and without fear, just as far as I can take it.

1:48.0

With a bit of hard work and a bit of luck, I hope I'll succeed in helping build AI systems that have some positive impact on the world and on the lives of a few people out there.

1:58.0

But also, it is entirely possible that I am in fact one of the chatbots that Eugenia and the replica team have built.

2:08.0

And this podcast is simply a training process for the neural net that's trying to learn to connect to human beings.

2:15.0

One episode at a time. In any case, I wouldn't know if I was or wasn't. And if I did, I wouldn't tell you.

2:23.0

If you enjoyed this thing, subscribe on YouTube, review it with 5 stars and not a podcast, follow on Spotify, support on Patreon, connect with me on Twitter, Alexa Friedman.

2:33.0

As usual, I'll do a few minutes of ads now and no ads in the middle. I'll try to make these interesting, but give you time stamp so you can skip.

2:41.0

But please do still check out the sponsors by clicking the links in the description to get a discount. By whatever they're selling, it really is the best way to support this podcast.

2:53.0

This show is sponsored by Dollar Shave Club. Try them out with one time offer for only 5 bucks and free shipping and DollarShave.com slash Lex.

3:02.0

The starter kit comes with a 6-blade razor, refills and all kinds of other stuff that makes shaving feel great.

3:10.0

I've been a member of Dollar Shave Club for over 5 years. And actually signed up when I first heard about them on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast.

3:19.0

And now friends, we have a comfortable circle. It feels like I made it. Now that I can do a read for them just like Joe did all those years ago.

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