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in your Spotify app to get started. Today on Sceptical Sunday, we're going beyond the kale. That's right, we're discussing all things vegan. To some, it's salvation. To others, it's a social cult with nutritional gaps. But there's no, and you'll be able to guess which one I think it is. There's no denying it's a popular lifestyle. So what does it get right? What does it get wrong? And why would some people rather punch a vegan than give up cheese?

We'll find out with someone living the life, writer, researcher, decades-long vegan. Jessica Wynn. Welcome back, Jess.

Hey, Jordan. I promise no tofu lectures unless provoked. Unless provoked, fair enough. You know, I just realized there's a fair

percentage of my team that's vegan, actually, because there's you, there's Gabe, and there's a couple people I got to check on. But like two out of six, one third of the team is vegan. That's like... I know. What is it about you? If we had, or maybe there's seven or eight of us now, whatever, I've lost count. But if we had an office, I would be forced to offer vegan options, which is one, just one of many reasons why that's never going to happen.

Look, a tofu lecture

sounds like something I'd have to hear in a yurt, holding a meditation gong or a sound bowl.

So let's start with your deal. You're not just plant curious, you're full vegan.

I am. And I understand veganism is not for everyone. I'm not interested in

converting people here today, nor do I believe every person is built for a vegan lifestyle. But I was the

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