Hello everybody and welcome back to another week of the Squiggly Creates podcast. I am Helen. I am

one half of the Squiggly Clays podcast and I'm joined by my friend, business partner and co-author. I hope you like

that intro, Sarah. Very good. Very professional. I know, which actually just on that point,

the professional intro, slightly undermined by my recording setup right now.

Would you like to know what it looks like?

Oh, well, mine's pretty bad as well.

So let's have a fight over who's got the least professional setup.

Go on, you go first.

Okay, so I'm sat on the floor of my study.

Same?

Oh, no, I'm allowed.

I'm not even in a study. I'm not even in work environment.

Well, we need to talk about the word study, what defines a study.

But my microphone is on my chair, right kind of like head height for microphone.

But my study...

Oh, you haven't got a desk, have you?

Yeah, and without a desk, because I decided to sell my desk. Because we've got a lot of books, not just our books, lots of other books,

I thought I needed a slightly smaller desk so I could get some more shelving in my study.

So I sold my large desk on eBay with the intention of buying a smaller desk.

However, I ended up buying a desk, another desk, which is exactly the same size as the one that I've sold,

which isn't going to be here for another...

Oh, I don't know.

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