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You know they're called the police on M and you can't have everything confiscated and it already has an act to himself.

It's a pen and paper and iPod and it's raining while you came down last I.G.

And then it says that the bottom of the book won't contact you know this will be a last I hear from them but it's said that a lot of times you never do seem to stop.

Hello and welcome to Real Crime Profile. This is Jim Clemente, retired FBI profiler, former New York City prosecutor and writer producer on CBS's Criminal Minds and with me today in the studio is Laura Richards, former New Scotland Yard Criminal Behavioral Analyst and founder of Paladin National Stalking Advocacy Service.

And I'm Lisa Zambetti. I'm the casting director for CBS's Criminal Minds, where Jim is my colleague and I'm very honored to be here today.

As we have a very special guest. Very special guest who's joining us from Leicester Shares.

Hi there, Laura. Yes, I'm Clive Ruggles. I'm a professor from Leicester University in England. But my reason for being here today is because I'm the dad of Alice Ruggles and that's what this is all about.

It is. This is a really important podcast and we actually decided to talk with Clive to mark National Stalking Awareness Week which begins in the UK on April the 6th.

And I have to say I was privileged to coordinate the very first one in conjunction with the home office and Chief Police Officers Association and that was in 2011.

And now National Stalking Awareness Week is a regular fixture in the UK diaries and so there be events going on all around the country.

And we felt it was really important to talk about Alice. So do you want to tell us a little bit about who Alice was Clive?

Sure. Well, let me start with a little anecdote. There were so many anecdotes. This is one of my favorite ones.

It's a December a few years ago and I was waiting for a wine box because we need the wine for Christmas.

And I was getting agitated because it was later arriving and I'm strutting up and down the living room.

And then there's a phone call and I answer it and it's it's a lady from the wine company says that we hope you're enjoying your wine.

And I said well, it hasn't come yet. She said yes, we delivered it about 20 minutes ago. No, you didn't, I said.

We live in a little village which doesn't have numbers on the house. It just has names.

So people quite often get them confused. So I said you sure you've got the right house. Yes, yes, that's right. Right house name and everything.

I would describe the house. Yes, we do. I said you must have delivered from the wrong house. Sorry. Can you please go away and check? So off she goes off the line and 20 minutes later, all that time.

Still no wine and the phone rings again. We hope you're enjoying your wine. She says we go through this all again with me getting more and more agitated and I'm having trouble understanding her because she has this quite strong accent.

I don't know what sort of accent it was but I could hardly understand them. But in the end, this goes on and we go round and round after about half an hour and three phone calls and I'm threatening to phone the company and so on.

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