Welcome to season 2, episode 6 of the Jordan B Peterson Podcast.

I'm Michaela Peterson, Doctor Peterson's daughter and collaborator.

Today we're presenting Dad's lecture at the Civic Arts Plaza in Thousand Oaks, California,

recorded on June 30, 2018.

He discussed thinking as simulation of action, thinking as the ability to produce new avatars

of the many possible subpersonalities that you could act out in the world so that you

can embody those which might be useful and productive and let the ones that come to

a dismal end in imagination fade away, never to appear in the real world.

He talked about thinking as tool production and use, making the case that clarity of thought,

equivalent to the creation of well-honed tools, prepares people for a less sorrow-ridden

and more meaningful and productive life.

So Dad, what's been going on with you this week?

Well, I was in New York earlier and I had a chance to talk to Ignat Sozhenitsyn, who's

Alexander Sozhenitsyn's son and Sozhenitsyn, of course, is the author of the famous book

The Gulag Archipelago.

I wrote a forward to that book, the Abridged Version, the 50th anniversary of the Abridged

Version and the 100th anniversary of the Sentinary of Sozhenitsyn's birth.

And I recorded the audio version of that forward for the audiobook in New York, but I also

had a chance to talk to Ignat about his experiences with his father, his experiences working

on his books, the effect that living in the shadow of his father and that book is had

on his life and on some of the historical consequences of the publication of the Gulag Archipelago.

That'll all be additional material associated with the audio version of the Abridged

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