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About 80% of the church within five minutes.

So there's a huge difference of focus.

The people in our church only knew I was doing some big citywide things and networking leaders.

But I didn't get into the nuance of what that was or what that meant because they're not really geared

for that kind of expansion and that kind of ministry.

Got it, got it.

So there's the micro focus versus the macro focus and the pioneering.

So if someone is planting as a church planter, they start a ministry here and now they move on and start another ministry here, and then start another ministry here.

And the next thing, they've got spiritual sons and daughters who are duplicating things and growing and they're planting churches.

That would suggest to that's more of an apostolic calling than just a local pastor, correct?

Yeah.

For example, Paul started churches in 31 cities, and what he did was raise up leaders

and elders as soon as he could, like in Desolome, the church in Desolonica, within two

or three months he had elders raised up because of persecution he had

to leave and he was able to participate locally through the elders through the congregation

and they in turn participated globally by financially supporting him supplying him people to be

part of his team and of of course, to pray,

to labor with him in prayer. So there was a global, missional participation in each church through

Paul, and there was local participation for Paul through the elders and through his contact

with the congregation.

So as you look back through history, do you see people that you would consider to be apostles, even though they didn't have that name like a John Wesley or a Hudson Taylor,

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