pay attention, ask the questions, listen to the stories. And I think that's just, that's the starting

point. And right now I feel like what's happening is that that's been just cut off. It's like

we're not going to, we're not listening to anybody's stories. We just, you know, we have our

narrative, our perspective in, in often it's based politically, and so therefore, we're not going to entertain a notion that somebody else is having an alternative experience.

And what does that mean? Like, I don't have the answers to, except for pointing people to the Lord.

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Welcome to God Hears Her. I'm God Here's Her. I'm Lisa Morgan.

And I'm Aaron Eddy. Have you ever experienced moments or words that have personally hurt you?

Do you feel traumatized by anything in your life right now?

Today we want to talk with licensed counselor Sheila Wise-Roe about trauma and about how we can work

to heal in the aftermath of experiencing it.

We want to specifically focus on racial trauma and how we can work to be better as a community

of believers.

Unfortunately, I couldn't make it for this conversation, but Sheila is incredible.

She has been counseling people for over 25 years, and she has written many books, including

healing, racial trauma.

So let's jump into this powerful conversation with Sheila.

Can you just tell everybody who is Sheila? You know, where are you from? Who are you? How'd you get to be you?

What else is happening in your life? Just give us a little bio here. I was born in Boston,

raised in Boston, and thought I'd never leave Boston. However, things shifted, and I'll go into that

a little bit more.

So my upbringing, I was the second oldest of nine kids, raised with both of my parents.

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