Stay patient and boy has he done it. Founded in 1983. Actually, this was maybe an inpatient move.

1996 IPOing, maybe a little early, raising north of 100 million bucks on day one and going,

oh my gosh, we now have investors. What do we do here? They're doing about 32 million bucks run right then.

Fast forward a couple years into 2000, hired an external CEO to try and drive more growth.

Didn't work out so well. So eventually took back the helm in 2010, made a big acquisition to develop out a system

that more fully integrated their customer engagement and process automation platform.

They're today doing north of $847 million in run rate targeting about $900 million.

Again, focusing and just staying home on what they know well, which is, again,

these enterprise accounts, customer engagement, process automation.

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Hello, everyone. My guest today is Alan Treffler. He's a visionary leader and a technology

change agent and an innovative philanthropist, a chess master and a trusted advisor to business

and executives around the world. He founded Pegas Systems to change the way of the world

build software. Today, the company, employs nearly 4,500 people around the world and has a market cap of

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