118. Urban Trees
The Economics of Everyday Things
Freakonomics Network
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🗓️ 15 December 2025
⏱️ 20 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | In Jeffrey Donovan's neighborhood, in Portland, Oregon, there's a beautiful pagoda tree. |
| 0:07.5 | It's around 50 years old, and it towers above the homes on the street. |
| 0:12.3 | There was a little seedling brought home from Richard Nixon's inauguration, and it's been |
| 0:16.7 | planted opposite my house that's one tiny sapling that somebody probably carried home on a plane |
| 0:22.1 | with them. They put it in the ground and 50 years later it's providing this kaleidoscope of benefits. |
| 0:29.0 | It's just magical. It's one of more than four million trees in Portland's urban landscape. |
| 0:35.2 | They're beautiful to look at, but they're also a valuable resource. |
| 0:40.2 | What do I see when I look at a tree? Well, I still see it as a beautiful thing. You know, |
| 0:43.4 | I'm still technically human. But I also see something that people are willing to spend a lot of money on |
| 0:49.3 | to plant and maintain. Donovan is the owner of Ash and Elm, a tree consultancy. Before that, he spent |
| 0:56.9 | 25 years working as an economist for the U.S. Forest Service. What I'm trying to do is quantify |
| 1:03.4 | the benefits of urban trees. There's the classic dilemma in economics. You know, if you can't |
| 1:08.0 | count it, it doesn't count. What I'm trying to do is count it. |
| 1:10.9 | So when a city government is deciding on its budget, it's not just thinking about roads and |
| 1:15.6 | things like that. It also thinks about the benefits that trees provide. |
| 1:23.7 | When you start doing cost-benefit analysis on trees, it becomes laughable. |
| 1:28.3 | The benefits to the city are so much higher, often orders of magnitude higher than the costs. |
| 1:34.8 | For the Freakonomics Radio Network, this is the economics of everyday things. |
| 1:39.8 | I'm Zachary Crockett. |
| 1:41.4 | Today, urban trees. |
| 1:48.8 | There are an estimated 5.5 billion trees in cities across the U.S. They line commercial corridors, parks, busy intersections, and residential streets, |
| 1:55.3 | and they come in all shapes, sizes, and species, maples, sweetgums, palms, furs, and pines. |
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