we automatically think that all people who treat their animals this way must be awful, evil, terrible people.

And it's like, that's not necessarily true.

And so just because someone has a different belief system, has grown up differently, doesn't mean that...

That they don't love their dog.

That they don't love their dog.

Doesn't mean that they don't have life

experiences that can be helpful to you.

Hey there, fellow training nerds.

I'm Hannah Branigan, teacher, trainer, podcaster, and author of the book,

Awesome Obedience, and its new companion, Awesome Obedience, the Field Guide,

which has all the same exercises, but with cooler binding, like a spiral binding and cooler covers.

But you can get both of them, either one of them, right now from clickertraining.com. And if you do get a copy of either book, I'd love to hear how you like it.

If you find it helpful, maybe post a video on social media with the hashtag awesome obedience

so I can see, that's what I like to look at during the

weekend because I don't have anybody to hang out with right now. So anyways, this week we have a

really important episode. We're going to be talking with Ken Ramirez, who among other things,

is chief training officer at Karen Pryor Clicker Training and who I know you've heard before

on this podcast at Clicker Expo,

at other national and international events, you probably at least one of his books,

maybe his new book, The Eye of a Trainer, you probably have a Ken fan club t-shirt.

Maybe you even have what we can do tattooed on your arm somewhere.

I mean, you wouldn't be alone, not in this audience. Yeah. So we're going to be

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