You are about to listen to a BBC podcast and I'd like to tell you a bit about what goes into making one.

I'm Sadata Sese, an assistant commissioner of podcasts for BBC Sounds.

I pull a lot of levers to support a diverse range of podcasts on all sorts of subjects,

relationships, identity, comedy, even one that mixes poetry, music and inner city life.

So one day I'll be helping host develop their ideas, the next fact-checking, a feature,

and the next looking at how a podcast connects with its audience, and maybe that's you.

So if you like this podcast, check out some others on BBC Sounds.

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You're listening to Bad People on BBC Sounds, the podcast about the bad things people do and why.

This episode contains discussions that some people might find disturbing around the themes of suicide, eating disorders and mental health.

Ambs. Yes. Today, I have a story for you. Do you? Okay. We love changing it up on here. I think it's

going to make it interesting. And I'm going to enjoy every second of sitting back, taking a break from telling the story this week. So I know

you mentioned when we're having a coffee that this one has something to do with long-distance

relationships. Yep, that's the one. That are online. Yes. Yeah. Yep. Okay. I was actually laughing to myself in the shower,

remembering a little bit of a cringy personal experience I have of a long distance online relationship,

if you could even call it that.

Well, I think that it does count as one.

This is like we're talking back in the day MSN times.

Literally, I was, well, 13.

Okay, 13. Yeah, 13. So the long and short of us, I met this boy once on a family holiday through a friend. We barely spoke in real life, which is the part of it that you just think,

how did that ever become anything? Yeah yeah but then we got added into a group

chat on msn and as you do you know you get into lots of back and forth next minute you know

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