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The Rest Is Classified

118. Inside Iran: Can You Predict A Revolution? (Ep 1)

The Rest Is Classified

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🗓️ 19 January 2026

⏱️ 65 minutes

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How are intelligence agencies reacting to the recent protests in Iran? Is the regime on the edge of collapse? And is it ever possible to predict a revolution? Listen as David and Gordon analyse the ongoing situation in Iran and look at what the mass uprising, and its suppression, means for intelligence agencies across the globe. ------------------- Make someone a Declassified Club Member this year – go deeper into the world of espionage with exclusive Q&As, interviews with top intelligence insiders, regular livestreams, ad-free listening, early access to episodes and live show tickets, and weekly deep dives into original spy stories. Members also get curated reading lists, special book discounts, prize draws, and access to our private chat community. Just go to ⁠⁠⁠therestisclassified.com⁠⁠ or join on Apple Podcasts. ------------------- EXCLUSIVE NordVPN Deal ➼ ⁠⁠https://nordvpn.com/restisclassified⁠⁠ Try it risk-free now with a 30-day money-back guarantee  ------------------- Pre-order a signed edition of David's latest novel, The Persian, here. ------------------- Email: ⁠therestisclassified@goalhanger.com Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@restisclassified Video Editor: Teo Ayodeji-Ansell Social Producer: Emma Jackson Assistant Producer: Alfie Rowe Producer: Becki Hills Head of History: Dom Johnson Exec Producer: Tony Pastor Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Join the declassified club at the rest is classified.com. Protest in Iran, a violent crackdown, is the country on the verge of a revolution.

0:31.0

And amid all of this unrest, how do intelligence agencies, how is the CIA looking and examining

0:37.3

the crisis in Iran?

0:39.4

Well, welcome to the rest is classified. I'm Gordon Carrera. And I'm David McCloskey.

0:43.0

And we are going to be looking at Iran this week. It's another interruption to our regularly

0:48.9

scheduled programming. If you were waiting for that series on Kim Filby, Britain's greatest traitor that we've been promising,

0:55.5

it will come soon. But we just felt that the kind of urgency of events in Iran required us to have a look at it.

1:02.2

Because, I mean, those protests and the crackdown that we've seen have been a real challenge,

1:08.1

haven't they, to the Islamic regime, David?

1:10.2

I don't think it's hyperbolic to say, Gordon, that this is the most significant internal

1:15.1

challenge that the Islamic Republic has ever faced, and certainly faced since 1970 died.

1:20.3

I mean, the scale and the intensity of these protests, the crackdown, the level of violence,

1:26.8

the death toll, it's uncertain,

1:28.9

but it's still rising. And it looks like it's going to be the most violence that the regime

1:36.0

has meted out against its own people ever. It's truly an unprecedented situation for the

1:43.0

Islamic Republic. Yeah, I think that's right. And even though we're recording this on Sunday the 18th of January,

1:47.4

things, of course, could change in the coming days. It looks like for the moment,

1:51.2

the repression has managed to stop those protests. But I think one of the questions we want to

1:56.8

look at is what does that mean for the long-term stability for the regime, and particularly

2:01.0

how will intelligence agencies be trying to understand that? And this question about how good,

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