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The Counsel of Trent

#1179 - DEBATE: Can a Christian Lose Salvation? (with NeedGod.net)

The Counsel of Trent

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🗓️ 1 July 2026

⏱️ 99 minutes

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In this episode Trent debates Ryan at NeedGod.net on the question of whether Christians can lose their salvation. Ryan's channel: @NeedGodnet To support this channel: https://www.patreon.com/counseloftrent [NEW] Counsel of Trent merch: https://shop.catholic.com/apologists-alley/trent-horn-resources/ Be sure to keep up with our socials! https://www.tiktok.com/@counseloftrent https://www.twitter.com/counseloftrent https://www.instagram.com/counseloftrentpodcast 0:00:00 Introduction 0:00:57 Trent's Opening Statement 0:15:27 Ryan's Opening Statement 0:29:30 Trent's First Rebuttal 0:39:38 Ryan's First Rebuttal 0:49:48 Trent's Second Rebuttal 0:53:53 Ryan's Second Rebuttal 0:58:03 Trent's Cross Examination 1:13:33 Ryan's Cross Examination 1:28:42 Trent's Closing Statement 1:33:41 Ryan's Closing Statement

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0:00.0

Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Council of Trent. Today, we are hosting a debate between myself and Ryan from need godnet.

0:10.0

The debate resolution is, does the Bible teach that a Christian can lose his salvation, despite continuing to have his trust in Christ to save him?

0:19.4

Here's the format of the debate. We're each going to have

0:21.6

15-minute opening statements, then a 10-minute first rebuttal, four-minute second rebuttal, 15 minutes

0:27.3

of cross-examination each, and then a five-minute closing statement from each of us. So before we get

0:33.4

started, Ryan, welcome to the Council of Trent. Thank you so much. Great to be here.

0:39.0

Absolutely. So we've gone back and forth a little bit in videos about each other, but this is

0:44.2

the first time we've been able to engage each other directly. So I'm looking forward to this debate.

0:50.3

So since I'm taking the affirmative position, I will be going first, and I shall begin.

0:56.2

All right.

0:57.1

All right.

0:57.6

So in today's debate, I'm going to show the Bible teaches that a Christian can forsake his

1:01.2

salvation despite continuing to trust in Christ to save him.

1:04.6

I'll show that Ryan's position is unbiblical, unhistorical, and unworkable.

1:09.3

First, Ryan's position is unbiblical. Jesus says in John 15, verses 2 and 6,

1:14.0

every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away. If anyone does not abide in me,

1:18.7

he is thrown away as a branch and dries up, and they gather them and cast them into the fire,

1:23.1

and they are burned. These branches do not represent false believers because Jesus speaks of the damned

1:28.6

as those who do not abide or remain in him. He's talking about true believers at some point

1:35.0

fail to remain connected to him and are damned as a result. Jesus even warns people who claim they

1:41.1

will be saved because they call on his name or trusted him, but engaged in grave sin.

1:46.0

He says in Matthew 721, not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord shall enter the kingdom of heaven,

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