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The Jordan Harbinger Show

1177: Iran vs. Israel 2025 | Out of the Loop

The Jordan Harbinger Show

Jordan Harbinger

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4.8 • 12.1K Ratings

🗓️ 1 July 2025

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

On this Out of the Loop, Jason Pack helps us understand what the conflict between Iran and Israel signifies, and where we can expect it to go from here.

Welcome to what we're calling our "Out of the Loop" episodes, where we dig a little deeper into fascinating current events that may only register as a blip on the media's news cycle and have conversations with the people who find themselves immersed in them. Disorder podcast host Jason Pack is here to help us make sense of the recent escalation in conflict between Iran and Israel — how we got here, the dangers and opportunities of the moment, and what we need from world leadership to keep the problem contained.

Full show notes and resources can be found here: jordanharbinger.com/1177

On This Episode of Out of the Loop:

  • Israel launched surprise attacks on Iran's nuclear program and leadership, setting back its nuclear capabilities by months to years while demonstrating complete intelligence penetration.
  • The US brokered a ceasefire between Iran and Israel, but this only addresses symptoms — the underlying regional conflicts and proxy wars remain unresolved.
  • Iran announced it's accelerating its nuclear program in response to the attacks, following the "Libya lesson" that nuclear weapons provide protection from regime change.
  • The current moment presents a unique opportunity for comprehensive Middle East peace due to weakened Iranian proxies and shifting regional power dynamics.
  • Success requires multilateral diplomacy involving Qatar, Europe, Gulf states, and addressing root causes — not just ceasefire management but genuine conflict resolution through shared interests.
  • And much more!
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  • Connect with Jason Pack on Twitter or on LinkedIn, and be sure to subscribe to his newsletter and check out his Disorder podcast!

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0:52.9

Today, an out-of-the-loop episode on Iran and Israel,

0:55.6

it's been a while since we did one of these,

0:57.0

and it's on the same topic as one recently,

0:59.1

but the Israeli attacks on Iran might actually present an amazing opportunity

1:03.4

for a sustained peace deal in the Middle East.

1:06.7

Jason Pack of the Disorder Podcast joins us today to share his expertise on Iran, Israel, Iran's nuclear program, the war in Gaza, and a whole lot more.

1:15.6

Here we go, out of the loop on Israel and Iran with Jason Pack.

1:23.7

Jason, thanks for joining me, man. I appreciate it. I know it's short notice and late where you are.

1:28.2

My pleasure, Jordan. So you speak four languages. You've been kidnapped twice. Jason, you don't have to

1:33.8

copy my bio just to get on the show. I'm flattered, but it really wasn't necessary. What languages do you

1:39.6

speak? My Arabic used to be quite good, particularly when I lived in Syria because you couldn't get around with English there.

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