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The Counsel of Trent

#1175 - Did a Gay Jew Change Catholicism? (Redeemed Zoomer Response)

The Counsel of Trent

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🗓️ 22 June 2026

⏱️ 24 minutes

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In this episode Trent examines Redeemed Zoomers claims about Vatican II and the Jews. To support this channel: https://www.patreon.com/counseloftrent [NEW] Counsel of Trent merch: https://shop.catholic.com/apologists-alley/trent-horn-resources/ Be sure to keep up with our socials! https://www.tiktok.com/@counseloftrent https://www.twitter.com/counseloftrent https://www.instagram.com/counseloftrentpodcast

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0:00.0

Recently, Redeem Zumer put out a video called The Gay Jew Who Change Catholic Theology.

0:05.2

So in today's episode, I'll respond to some of his claims.

0:08.2

The overall thrust of his video seems to be that people like to say that Protestants,

0:12.9

especially RZ's denomination, the Presbyterian Church of the USA, have been captured by LGBT liberals.

0:19.7

RZ even raised a ruckus by proposing that PCUSA pastors promised to be in monogamous relationships,

0:26.2

which upset the Sparkle pastors in his denomination who support polyamory.

0:30.8

But RZ says that Catholicism also has elements that come from similar LGBT liberals,

0:36.7

and cites Gregory Baum as an example. Now,

0:39.3

RZ is basically correct about Baum being a Jewish convert who fled Europe during World War II

0:44.7

and also identified as having same-sex attraction since his early teen years. Baum converted during

0:50.1

college after reading Augustine's confessions, and a year later, he joined the Augustinian

0:54.3

order and became a priest. He served as a theological advisor for the ecumenical secretariat at the

0:59.3

Second Vatican Council, and composed an early draft of Nostra Atate, the document on the church and other

1:05.0

religions. So I think it's very interesting that one of the binding documents of Vatican

1:09.9

two was written by an LGBT activist,

1:12.8

and all Catholics have to give religious submission of intellect and will to that document.

1:17.0

Baum wasn't an LGBT activist when he wrote Nostratate in 1961, and there's no evidence

1:22.8

he was publicly contradicting church teaching before that point. He may not have even personally disagreed

1:29.2

with Catholic doctrine and sexuality when he wrote Nostra-tatte. In Baum's autobiography,

1:34.4

he says he began to disagree with Catholic teaching on sexuality sometime in the 1960s, and he did not

1:40.7

have relations with a man until 1963. His public dissent from church teaching

1:45.7

did not occur until after he left the priesthood in the 1970s. The fact that Baum left the church

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