Hey everybody, we got a depressing one, you know, for a change. I think we've had a few

depressing ones before, but not because the subject was depressing. No, no, no, no.

They were depressing because my execution of a topic was just so pitiful.

I mean, a couple of years ago, I somehow made an interview with the winner of the National Spelling Bee seemed depressing, and the kid was great, came from a family that didn't even pressure him.

Oh, well.

The one today, though, is a great depressing one because it's on immigration with two

terrific guests, Molly O'Toole, Polls, a prize winning journalist who's on leave from the LA Times to write a book on

immigration. And Jerry Robinette, who was in charge of investigation for ICE, U.S. immigration,

and customs enforcement, and homeland security in their San Antonio office.

He was in charge of guys like Hank, the brother-in-law in Breaking Bad, I think.

I think that was his job.

Anyway, two different perspectives, but both agree that the system is broken and indeed it is.

The backlog on asylum cases, over 2 million pending cases and growing.

That's a 5 to 20 year waiting period.

And the whole system is just underfunded for political reasons.

Jerry says we overspend on the border.

You know, most immigrants who come in are looking

for border guards. They just cross the border. They look for border guards to turn themselves in and

claim asylum. And while this past week, President Biden did negotiate a pretty good deal to prevent

us from going over the

cliff. We certainly aren't devoting anywhere near the funding we need on immigration. Because, as

Catherine Rampel of the Washington Post recently pointed out, the U.S. has too few immigrants,

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