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Today on the big interview, we welcome Dr. Eva Vukasic, an assistant professor in international history at Utrecht University,

and an expert on irregular armed groups, genocide, mass violence and accountability for war crimes.

Iba, welcome to the podcast.

Thank you so much for inviting me.

Now, before we talk about the current conflict in Ukraine, which after all is the main subject of our podcast, or at least at the moment, tell me about your experience working for the Special Department for War Crimes in Sarajevo and why you believe that criminal accountability is so important?

Right.

So some 15 years ago or so, I worked as a researcher and analyst.

So I'm a historian.

I'm not a lawyer.

And sometimes people are surprised to hear, oh, what does a historian do in war crimes

trials, actually quite a bit?

So I worked with prosecutors and investigators and, of course, other staff to bring cases of

war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide to court. These are cases, of course, coming from

the war in Bosnia and Herzegovina, which took place between 1992 and 1995. So this is one of the wars

that was sort of happening in the former Yugoslavia as it was falling apart. So I was also

a part of a project to assess what the workload was. So this is kind of mid-2000s, 10 years

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