the entire premise of the occult is that if you eat from the tree of the knowledge of good

and evil, you'll become like God. And it just floored me that I hadn't even fallen for some

new lie. This was the first that led to the fall and that's what it was leading to in my life.

Welcome to the Alisa Childers Podcast. I've got a great episode for you today. I'm going to introduce

you to someone I met recently when I was speaking at a conference at a church in Arizona. She's the

social media director for Redeemer Bible Church in Arizona. She helps with worship. She was up

there leading worship for this women's conference and it was just such a sweet time of worship. It was

just lovely. And we began to talk after and she shared a bit of her story with me. And after I heard

a little bit of her story, I thought I really want to have her on the podcast to share with you what

God has done in her life and where he's brought her and what he's brought her out of. So with that

said, Jack Marino, welcome to the podcast. I'm so glad that you you you you you prayed about it and

you said, I think I think it's it's good to go. I mean to share my story. So thanks so much for

being brave and willing to do that today. No, thank you so much. It's such a privilege and I'm so

thankful to you. Well, great. I want to get in. I want to start by just you sharing kind of your

background. Because I think sometimes that's so relevant to people's stories and some of the

maybe the movements they've gotten swept up in and that God's brought them back out of. Sometimes

that backstory is so relevant to maybe being vulnerable to believing a false type of spirituality.

And so tell us a little bit about your growing up. Did you grow up in a Christian home?

What was that like for you? Yes, I grew up in San Diego and I

believed I was a Christian. I started going to a Methodist church when I was in preschool. I went

there for my preschool. My dad played drums in the worship band and I believed at a young age that

Jesus was Lord, but I didn't know what that meant. There wasn't really a depth to my understanding of

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